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Old 01-02-10, 04:18 PM
Dom
 
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Default Some details about the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War

The following is from Jasper Ridley's "Napoleon III and Eugénie,"
Viking Press (1980).
=============

"Two days after [French Premier Emile] Ollivier’s speech [of 30 June
1870], Marshall Prim [who held power in Spain] announced in Madrid
that the Spanish government had offered the crown of Spain to Prince
Leopold of Hohenzollern, a distant cousin of King William of Prussia;
[...] The French press immediately protested the prospect of a
Hohenzollern on the Spanish throne, and on 6 July the new Foreign
Minister, the Duc de Gramont, [...] told the Chamber that France would
not permit Prince Leopold to become King of Spain. Ollivier added that
he had no doubt that Prussia would yield in the face of French
firmness, but that ‘if war be necessary, the government will not enter
upon it without the consent of the Legislative Body.’ Gramont’s
statement and Ollivier’s mention of war were greeted with great
enthusiasm by the deputies, and in the public galleries the ladies
rose to their feet and waved their handkerchiefs as they joined in the
wild applause. Next day the Paris press called for war with Prussia,
and on 8 July their language was even more violent. The government
instructed [Comte Vincente] Benedetti, the French ambassador to
Prussia, to demand that King William should publicly refuse his
consent to Prince Leopold’s acceptance of the throne of Spain." [p.
558]

"On 11 July, Benedetti spoke to King William at the watering spa at
Ems, and asked him to refuse his consent to Prince Leopold’s
candidature; Bismarck was on holiday at his estates in East Prussia.
King William agreed to order Prince Leopold to withdraw. Ollivier
announced the Prussian surrender in the Chamber on 12 July and hailed
it as a French triumph and a Prussian humiliation. Bismarck thought
the same and considered resigning as Prime Minister. Gramont and
Ollivier did not conceal their regret that the Prussians had given in;
and the deputies and most of the press were disappointment that there
was to be no war. [...] Louis Napoleon sensed the public regret that
there would be no war. ‘The country will be disappointed’, he cabled
to Ollivier on 12 July; ‘but what can we do?’ He was in complete
agreement with the decision which was taken by the Cabinet on the same
day to ask for further guarantees from Prussia and to require King
William to give an undertaking that he would never in the future allow
Prince Leopold to accept the crown of Spain. When Benedetti confronted
King William on the promenade at Ems on the afternoon of 13 July and
asked him to give this undertaking, the King was annoyed, refused to
do so, and walked away a little abruptly." [ p. 561]
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Old 01-02-10, 04:46 PM
Mailand
 
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On 1 Feb, 16:18, Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu> wrote:
> The following is from Jasper *Ridley's "Napoleon III and Eugénie,"
> Viking Press (1980).
> =============
>
> "Two days after [French Premier Emile] Ollivier’s speech [of 30 June
> 1870], Marshall Prim [who held power in Spain] announced in Madrid
> that the Spanish government had offered the crown of Spain to Prince
> Leopold of Hohenzollern, a distant cousin of King William of Prussia;
> [...] The French press immediately protested the prospect of a
> Hohenzollern on the Spanish throne, and on 6 July the new Foreign
> Minister, the Duc de Gramont, [...] told the Chamber that France would
> not permit Prince Leopold to become King of Spain. Ollivier added that
> he had no doubt that Prussia would yield in the face of French
> firmness, but that ‘if war be necessary, the government will not enter
> upon it without the consent of the Legislative Body.’ Gramont’s
> statement and Ollivier’s mention of war were greeted with great
> enthusiasm by the deputies, and in the public galleries the ladies
> rose to their feet and waved their handkerchiefs as they joined in the
> wild applause. Next day the Paris press called for war with Prussia,
> and on 8 July their language was even more violent. The government
> instructed [Comte Vincente] Benedetti, the French ambassador to
> Prussia, to demand that King William should publicly refuse his
> consent to Prince Leopold’s acceptance of the throne of Spain." [p.
> 558]
>
> "On 11 July, Benedetti spoke to King William at the watering spa at
> Ems, and asked him to refuse his consent to Prince Leopold’s
> candidature; Bismarck was on holiday at his estates in East Prussia.
> King William agreed to order Prince Leopold to withdraw. Ollivier
> announced the Prussian surrender in the Chamber on 12 July and hailed
> it as a French triumph and a Prussian humiliation. Bismarck thought
> the same and considered resigning as Prime Minister. Gramont and
> Ollivier did not conceal their regret that the Prussians had given in;
> and the deputies and most of the press were disappointment that there
> was to be no war. [...] Louis Napoleon sensed the public regret that
> there would be no war. ‘The country will be disappointed’, he cabled
> to Ollivier on 12 July; ‘but what can we do?’ He was in complete
> agreement with the decision which was taken by the Cabinet on the same
> day to ask for further guarantees from Prussia and to require King
> William to give an undertaking that he would never in the future allow
> Prince Leopold to accept the crown of Spain. When Benedetti confronted
> King William on the promenade at Ems on the afternoon of 13 July and
> asked him to give this undertaking, the King was annoyed, refused to
> do so, and walked away a little abruptly." [ p. 561]


The outbreak between France and Prussia of 1870 has the big
responsability of the princess Eugenia wife of Napoleon III and his
generals. In fact Napoleon III was already sick and had also
difficult to ride, but Eugenia and his generals were convinced to
defeat the prussian army.
Ciao - Mailand
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Old 01-02-10, 05:41 PM
Dom
 
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On Feb 1, 10:46*am, Mailand <brambilla.albe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Feb, 16:18, Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The following is from Jasper *Ridley's "Napoleon III and Eugénie,"
> > Viking Press (1980).
> > =============

>
> > "Two days after [French Premier Emile] Ollivier’s speech [of 30 June
> > 1870], Marshall Prim [who held power in Spain] announced in Madrid
> > that the Spanish government had offered the crown of Spain to Prince
> > Leopold of Hohenzollern, a distant cousin of King William of Prussia;
> > [...] The French press immediately protested the prospect of a
> > Hohenzollern on the Spanish throne, and on 6 July the new Foreign
> > Minister, the Duc de Gramont, [...] told the Chamber that France would
> > not permit Prince Leopold to become King of Spain. Ollivier added that
> > he had no doubt that Prussia would yield in the face of French
> > firmness, but that ‘if war be necessary, the government will not enter
> > upon it without the consent of the Legislative Body.’ Gramont’s
> > statement and Ollivier’s mention of war were greeted with great
> > enthusiasm by the deputies, and in the public galleries the ladies
> > rose to their feet and waved their handkerchiefs as they joined in the
> > wild applause. Next day the Paris press called for war with Prussia,
> > and on 8 July their language was even more violent. The government
> > instructed [Comte Vincente] Benedetti, the French ambassador to
> > Prussia, to demand that King William should publicly refuse his
> > consent to Prince Leopold’s acceptance of the throne of Spain." [p.
> > 558]

>
> > "On 11 July, Benedetti spoke to King William at the watering spa at
> > Ems, and asked him to refuse his consent to Prince Leopold’s
> > candidature; Bismarck was on holiday at his estates in East Prussia.
> > King William agreed to order Prince Leopold to withdraw. Ollivier
> > announced the Prussian surrender in the Chamber on 12 July and hailed
> > it as a French triumph and a Prussian humiliation. Bismarck thought
> > the same and considered resigning as Prime Minister. Gramont and
> > Ollivier did not conceal their regret that the Prussians had given in;
> > and the deputies and most of the press were disappointment that there
> > was to be no war. [...] Louis Napoleon sensed the public regret that
> > there would be no war. ‘The country will be disappointed’, he cabled
> > to Ollivier on 12 July; ‘but what can we do?’ He was in complete
> > agreement with the decision which was taken by the Cabinet on the same
> > day to ask for further guarantees from Prussia and to require King
> > William to give an undertaking that he would never in the future allow
> > Prince Leopold to accept the crown of Spain. When Benedetti confronted
> > King William on the promenade at Ems on the afternoon of 13 July and
> > asked him to give this undertaking, the King was annoyed, refused to
> > do so, and walked away a little abruptly." [ p. 561]

>
> The outbreak between France and Prussia of 1870 has the big
> responsability of the princess Eugenia wife of Napoleon III and his
> generals. In fact Napoleon III was already sick and had also
> difficult *to ride, but Eugenia and his generals were convinced to
> defeat the prussian army.
> Ciao - Mailand


You are correct. What really bothers me is that many teachers,
including the ones I had in high school and college, continue to
depict the Prussians as the ones who declared the war.
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Old 02-02-10, 05:05 PM
Mailand
 
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On 1 Feb, 17:41, Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:46*am, Mailand <brambilla.albe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 1 Feb, 16:18, Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu> wrote:

>
> > > The following is from Jasper *Ridley's "Napoleon III and Eugénie,"
> > > Viking Press (1980).
> > > =============

>
> > > "Two days after [French Premier Emile] Ollivier’s speech [of 30 June
> > > 1870], Marshall Prim [who held power in Spain] announced in Madrid
> > > that the Spanish government had offered the crown of Spain to Prince
> > > Leopold of Hohenzollern, a distant cousin of King William of Prussia;
> > > [...] The French press immediately protested the prospect of a
> > > Hohenzollern on the Spanish throne, and on 6 July the new Foreign
> > > Minister, the Duc de Gramont, [...] told the Chamber that France would
> > > not permit Prince Leopold to become King of Spain. Ollivier added that
> > > he had no doubt that Prussia would yield in the face of French
> > > firmness, but that ‘if war be necessary, the government will not enter
> > > upon it without the consent of the Legislative Body.’ Gramont’s
> > > statement and Ollivier’s mention of war were greeted with great
> > > enthusiasm by the deputies, and in the public galleries the ladies
> > > rose to their feet and waved their handkerchiefs as they joined in the
> > > wild applause. Next day the Paris press called for war with Prussia,
> > > and on 8 July their language was even more violent. The government
> > > instructed [Comte Vincente] Benedetti, the French ambassador to
> > > Prussia, to demand that King William should publicly refuse his
> > > consent to Prince Leopold’s acceptance of the throne of Spain." [p.
> > > 558]

>
> > > "On 11 July, Benedetti spoke to King William at the watering spa at
> > > Ems, and asked him to refuse his consent to Prince Leopold’s
> > > candidature; Bismarck was on holiday at his estates in East Prussia.
> > > King William agreed to order Prince Leopold to withdraw. Ollivier
> > > announced the Prussian surrender in the Chamber on 12 July and hailed
> > > it as a French triumph and a Prussian humiliation. Bismarck thought
> > > the same and considered resigning as Prime Minister. Gramont and
> > > Ollivier did not conceal their regret that the Prussians had given in;
> > > and the deputies and most of the press were disappointment that there
> > > was to be no war. [...] Louis Napoleon sensed the public regret that
> > > there would be no war. ‘The country will be disappointed’, he cabled
> > > to Ollivier on 12 July; ‘but what can we do?’ He was in complete
> > > agreement with the decision which was taken by the Cabinet on the same
> > > day to ask for further guarantees from Prussia and to require King
> > > William to give an undertaking that he would never in the future allow
> > > Prince Leopold to accept the crown of Spain. When Benedetti confronted
> > > King William on the promenade at Ems on the afternoon of 13 July and
> > > asked him to give this undertaking, the King was annoyed, refused to
> > > do so, and walked away a little abruptly." [ p. 561]

>
> > The outbreak between France and Prussia of 1870 has the big
> > responsability of the princess Eugenia wife of Napoleon III and his
> > generals. In fact Napoleon III was already sick and had also
> > difficult *to ride, but Eugenia and his generals were convinced to
> > defeat the prussian army.
> > Ciao - Mailand

>
> You are correct. What really bothers me is that many teachers,
> including the ones I had in high school and college, continue to
> depict the Prussians as the ones who declared the war.- Nascondi testo citato
>
> - Mostra testo citato -


To comfirm that was France who declared the war to Prussia, you can
indicate that was the french prime minister Olivier, the 19th july
1870 who declared the war. In the meantime outbroke some demonstratios
of students and workers in Paris favourable to the war against
Prussia.
Ciao- Mailand
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