On Jan 27, 8:57*am, Superbee <superb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> >

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> The burka is just a piece of cloth which if you think about it, could
> be re-fashioned to cover your chest, buttocks, etc But the burka
> covers the entire face except the eyes. So what so bad about that?
> It's the same as Ninjas in ancient Japan. Then here is where we are
> only seeing the tip of the iceberg. On the surface it looks innocent
> enough, but below, it may hold dangerous ideologies or extremist
> philosophies. It is no long just a piece of clothing but what does the
> burka represent? What repercussions does it have on those who wear
> them and to those who come into contact with them? Does it represent a
> "separative" statement? Is a separative signal what the country wants?
> Does the burka represent a repressive ideology in the modern society
> of equality. In france, about 2,000 people wear the burka in a
> population of over 60 million. I am more concern about extremist
> elements that have hidden agendas and is only using the burka as an
> excuse to further their own ends.

If people can look at the burka dispassionately, they see
the burka as a piece of cloth, for covering the face of a
woman.
But people are emotional creatures..and what they wear
are charged statements of their being...eg latest beauty
fashion, religious robes, military or police uniform...

To the Muslim burka wearer, it symbolises modesty,
the moral superiority of Allah's people. (just wonder,
Muslim males who bare their faces must be immoral !)

To the French, it represent a threat to the purity of
French culture, and the failure of these foreigners
to be integrated into French society. It is also the
banners of the millions Muslim trouble makers.
(Stupid to allow 5 millions to migrate to France)

On Jan 27, 2:34*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> >

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> France now realised that they previously go easy with the exodus of
> middle eastern ppl into their country. Look at their city
> subway....like shits environment....their city low lying area building
> like shits with vandalism all over the place. There is vast difference
> if comparing the street of Paris and Cologne (Germany).....Why? * The
> street of Paris is being tarnished by those middle eastern muslim.

Hi Simoni....
Haven't read your postings lately. Joined the new opposition
party ?

Yeah...France was too short-sighted....in allowing too many
foreigners to migrate into their country.
France is not alone.....Singapore is laiki bodoh,
Hundreds of thousands of Indians have migrated here..
and worse still they bring their relatives ILLIGALLY,
(on social visit passes) to live and work here.

Now the Indians are creating social problems...and soon
they will create political problems for the PAP.

On Jan 27, 8:11*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:34*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> > >

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> > France now realised that they previously go easy with the exodus of
> > middle eastern ppl into their country. Look at their city
> > subway....like shits environment....their city low lying area building
> > like shits with vandalism all over the place. There is vast difference
> > if comparing the street of Paris and Cologne (Germany).....Why? * The
> > street of Paris is being tarnished by those middle eastern muslim.
>
> Hi Simoni....
> Haven't read your postings lately. Joined the new opposition
> party ?
>
> Yeah...France was too short-sighted....in allowing too many
> foreigners to migrate into their country.
> France is not alone.....Singapore is laiki bodoh,
> Hundreds of thousands of Indians have migrated here..
> and worse still they bring *their relatives ILLIGALLY,
> (on social visit passes) to live and work here.
>
> Now the Indians are creating social problems...and soon
> they will create political problems for the PAP.

Halo Botak...yeah don't come here as often just peep in at
times....cos, alot of buddies also disapeared...ie. Observer or
Lobert...hahaha..

Well reason for Sg to welcome foreigners probably Sg need to be
competitive in the world market with cheaper worker.....secondly
hor......Sg need to balance its population on races.....Alamak....the
malay family enjoying huge surplus on baby boom...partly becos of
incentive given by govt la....if no chinese or indian immigrant coming
to Sg to balance its population ratio....wow...look likes in 10 yrs
down the road the malay population are gonna up to 35% from its
existing 20%...you think our govt didnt do their homework
meh?....LOL...

Previously, I saw big nos of malay manning the police post...nowadays,
I see big improvement with more chinese, a balance of malay and
chinese in police post attending to complaint from resident......an
improvement by the Police Force if not properly check ....with too
many malay manning the front line ie. enforcement work....sooner or
later our police force is similiar to those in Malaysia.......a murder
case could be transformed into a sucide case...like what happening in
JB....money can covered up crime....all abang and adek what...

JB's Ah Long men got caught...entered the front door of their police
station....later on, those ah long men leave thru the back
door....again all abang and adek what?

If the burka is compulsory for all women, plastic surgeons & esthetic
doctors have got nothing to offer.

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> President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
>
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On Jan 27, 6:03*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 8:57*am, Superbee <superb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> > >

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> > The burka is just a piece of cloth which if you think about it, could
> > be re-fashioned to cover your chest, buttocks, etc But the burka
> > covers the entire face except the eyes. So what so bad about that?
> > It's the same as Ninjas in ancient Japan. Then here is where we are
> > only seeing the tip of the iceberg. On the surface it looks innocent
> > enough, but below, it may hold dangerous ideologies or extremist
> > philosophies. It is no long just a piece of clothing but what does the
> > burka represent? What repercussions does it have on those who wear
> > them and to those who come into contact with them? Does it represent a
> > "separative" statement? Is a separative signal what the country wants?
> > Does the burka represent a repressive ideology in the modern society
> > of equality. In france, about 2,000 people wear the burka in a
> > population of over 60 million. I am more concern about extremist
> > elements that have hidden agendas and is only using the burka as an
> > excuse to further their own ends.
>
> If people can look at the burka dispassionately, they see
> the burka as a piece of cloth, for covering the face of a
> woman.
> But people are emotional creatures..and what they wear
> are charged statements of their being...eg latest beauty
> fashion, religious robes, military or police uniform...
>
> To the Muslim burka wearer, it symbolises modesty,
> the moral superiority of Allah's people. (just wonder,
> Muslim males who bare their faces must be immoral !)
>
> To the French, it represent a threat to the purity of
> French culture, and the failure of these foreigners
> to be integrated into French society. It is also the
> banners of the millions Muslim trouble makers.
> (Stupid to allow 5 millions to migrate to France)

Veiled Muslim women in India don't want to take photos for IDs but
want to vote in elections wearing their garb. Full story here:

'Purdah-nashin' women in India facing problem
Saturday, 23 January 2010

New Delhi, January 23: The Supreme Court has said that burqa-clad
women cannot be issued voter identity cards, rejecting the argument
that religion prohibits them from lifting their veils.

Counsel for petitioner M Ajam Khan had contended that asking `purdah-
nashin' women to lift their veil for being photographed would amount
to sacrilege as their photographs would be seen by many men working as
polling agents and electoral officials.

"It will hurt their religious sentiments and the Election Commission
must not insist on `purdah-nashin' women to be photographed for
inclusion of their name in the electoral rolls," said the counsel
arguing before a Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and
Justice Deepak Verma.

The order comes at a time when a controversy triggered by the ban on
full-length burqas has roiled France, attracting protests from
clerics.

The argument put forward on behalf of petitioners failed to impress
the court. The Bench said: "If you have such strong religious
sentiments, and do not want to be seen by members of public, then do
not go to vote. You cannot go with burqa to vote. It will create
complications in identification of voters."

Referring to the Madras High Court order upholding the EC's insistence
for a photograph without veils, the Bench said that the elections have
been conducted without staying the HC order and that those who do not
comply with rules on voter identification not be allowed to vote.

Appearing for the EC, counsel Meenakshi Arora said though electoral
rolls were being prepared as per the judgment of the HC, it would be
better if the SC gave a verdict that would help reach a closure on the
issue.

When the petitioners again insisted on protection of religious
sentiments, the Bench said: "The photograph is for identification of a
voter. If someone comes to vote in a burqa and the photograph was also
taken with veil covering the face, how would anyone identify the
voter?"

Explaining that right to vote was only a statutory right and not a
fundamental right, the Bench said: "Right to contest an election is an
extension of the right to vote. Can anyone contest an election saying
photograph of her face be not taken? Can she be photographed in a
burqa with a veil and yet contest an election?"

Though the Bench made its mind absolutely clear, it agreed to a
detailed hearing on the issue at a later date.

The Madras High Court had in a 2006 verdict held that faith and
practice were on two different planes, saying there was nothing wrong
on the part of the EC to insist on a photograph of the face of a
'purdah-nashin' woman for the purpose of preparing electoral rolls.

-Agencies

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:33:56 -0800 (PST), baldeagle
< - > wrote:

>President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
>France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
>showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
>refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
>Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>

Yes, unless there are sandstorms in France.
Burka is nothing to do with any weird cults, it's a garnment to
protect against sandstorms.

On Jan 27, 9:08*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 8:11*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 2:34*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > > > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > > > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > > > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > > > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > > > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> > > >

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> > > France now realised that they previously go easy with the exodus of
> > > middle eastern ppl into their country. Look at their city
> > > subway....like shits environment....their city low lying area building
> > > like shits with vandalism all over the place. There is vast difference
> > > if comparing the street of Paris and Cologne (Germany).....Why? * The
> > > street of Paris is being tarnished by those middle eastern muslim.
>
> > Hi Simoni....
> > Haven't read your postings lately. Joined the new opposition
> > party ?
>
> > Yeah...France was too short-sighted....in allowing too many
> > foreigners to migrate into their country.
> > France is not alone.....Singapore is laiki bodoh,
> > Hundreds of thousands of Indians have migrated here..
> > and worse still they bring *their relatives ILLIGALLY,
> > (on social visit passes) to live and work here.
>
> > Now the Indians are creating social problems...and soon
> > they will create political problems for the PAP.
>
> Halo Botak...yeah don't come here as often just peep in at
> times....cos, alot of buddies also disapeared...ie. Observer or
> Lobert...hahaha..
>

Hi Simoni...

Good to hear from you even occasionally. I thought,
you've gone into politics like Madcow...or too busy
enjoying marikita with China women.

> Well reason for Sg to welcome foreigners probably Sg need to be
> competitive in the world market with cheaper worker.....

Somehow, the reasons for allowing too many Indian
immigrants into Singapore ...do not sound convincing...it
is too short sighted. ...
It will be like...the "stop at two" policy.... The consequences
of this flawed immigration policy will be far, far more
damaging to Singapore...for future generations. I have seen
it in Fiji, in Nepal, in other African states.
I don't mind immigrants from the Philippines, Vietnam,
Myanmar....but Indian immigrants are bad for our future.

Where is "freedom of religion"?

Yeah, the men in power can decide what is freedom, what is not.

On Jan 27, 6:35*am, The Cynic <i.thecy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:03*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> Veiled Muslim women in India don't want to take photos for IDs but
> want to vote in elections wearing their garb. Full story here:
>
>

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> 'Purdah-nashin' women in India facing problem
> Saturday, 23 January 2010
>
> New Delhi, January 23: The Supreme Court has said that burqa-clad
> women cannot be issued voter identity cards, rejecting the argument
> that religion prohibits them from lifting their veils.
>
> Counsel for petitioner M Ajam Khan had contended that asking `purdah-
> nashin' women to lift their veil for being photographed would amount
> to sacrilege as their photographs would be seen by many men working as
> polling agents and electoral officials.
>
> "It will hurt their religious sentiments and the Election Commission
> must not insist on `purdah-nashin' women to be photographed for
> inclusion of their name in the electoral rolls," said the counsel
> arguing before a Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and
> Justice Deepak Verma.
>
> The order comes at a time when a controversy triggered by the ban on
> full-length burqas has roiled France, attracting protests from
> clerics.
>
> The argument put forward on behalf of petitioners failed to impress
> the court. The Bench said: "If you have such strong religious
> sentiments, and do not want to be seen by members of public, then do
> not go to vote. You cannot go with burqa to vote. It will create
> complications in identification of voters."
>
> Referring to the Madras High Court order upholding the EC's insistence
> for a photograph without veils, the Bench said that the elections have
> been conducted without staying the HC order and that those who do not
> comply with rules on voter identification not be allowed to vote.
>
> Appearing for the EC, counsel Meenakshi Arora said though electoral
> rolls were being prepared as per the judgment of the HC, it would be
> better if the SC gave a verdict that would help reach a closure on the
> issue.
>
> When the petitioners again insisted on protection of religious
> sentiments, the Bench said: "The photograph is for identification of a
> voter. If someone comes to vote in a burqa and the photograph was also
> taken with veil covering the face, how would anyone identify the
> voter?"
>
> Explaining that right to vote was only a statutory right and not a
> fundamental right, the Bench said: "Right to contest an election is an
> extension of the right to vote. Can anyone contest an election saying
> photograph of her face be not taken? Can she be photographed in a
> burqa with a veil and yet contest an election?"
>
> Though the Bench made its mind absolutely clear, it agreed to a
> detailed hearing on the issue at a later date.
>
> The Madras High Court had in a 2006 verdict held that faith and
> practice were on two different planes, saying there was nothing wrong
> on the part of the EC to insist on a photograph of the face of a
> 'purdah-nashin' woman for the purpose of preparing electoral rolls.
>
> -Agencies

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:03:48 -0800 (PST), baldeagle
< - > wrote:

In Verdun which the French call their most sacred cemetery has been
home to millions of Frenchmen who sacrificed their lives protecting
their homeland from Germans.
Why are they now having difficulty finding recruits to lob a few
grenades in a Mosque or during prayers. I am sure killing only a
handful should be enough to cleanse this beautiful country of Islamic
filth.

>On Jan 27, 8:57*am, Superbee <superb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>>
>> > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
>> > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
>> > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
>> > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>>
>> > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>>
>> >

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>> The burka is just a piece of cloth which if you think about it, could
>> be re-fashioned to cover your chest, buttocks, etc But the burka
>> covers the entire face except the eyes. So what so bad about that?
>> It's the same as Ninjas in ancient Japan. Then here is where we are
>> only seeing the tip of the iceberg. On the surface it looks innocent
>> enough, but below, it may hold dangerous ideologies or extremist
>> philosophies. It is no long just a piece of clothing but what does the
>> burka represent? What repercussions does it have on those who wear
>> them and to those who come into contact with them? Does it represent a
>> "separative" statement? Is a separative signal what the country wants?
>> Does the burka represent a repressive ideology in the modern society
>> of equality. In france, about 2,000 people wear the burka in a
>> population of over 60 million. I am more concern about extremist
>> elements that have hidden agendas and is only using the burka as an
>> excuse to further their own ends.
>
>If people can look at the burka dispassionately, they see
>the burka as a piece of cloth, for covering the face of a
>woman.
>But people are emotional creatures..and what they wear
>are charged statements of their being...eg latest beauty
>fashion, religious robes, military or police uniform...
>
>To the Muslim burka wearer, it symbolises modesty,
>the moral superiority of Allah's people. (just wonder,
>Muslim males who bare their faces must be immoral !)
>
>To the French, it represent a threat to the purity of
>French culture, and the failure of these foreigners
>to be integrated into French society. It is also the
>banners of the millions Muslim trouble makers.
>(Stupid to allow 5 millions to migrate to France)
>
>
>
>
>

On Jan 27, 2:17*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:08*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 8:11*pm, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 27, 2:34*pm, yansimon52 <yansimo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 27, 6:33*am, baldeagle <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > > > > President Sarkozy has reiterated that the burka is "not welcome" in
> > > > > France. A French parliamentary committee has recommended that anyone
> > > > > showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be
> > > > > refused residence cards and citizenship.
>
> > > > > Is it right for France to ban the burka ?
>
> > > > >

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> > > > France now realised that they previously go easy with the exodus of
> > > > middle eastern ppl into their country. Look at their city
> > > > subway....like shits environment....their city low lying area building
> > > > like shits with vandalism all over the place. There is vast difference
> > > > if comparing the street of Paris and Cologne (Germany).....Why? *The
> > > > street of Paris is being tarnished by those middle eastern muslim.
>
> > > Hi Simoni....
> > > Haven't read your postings lately. Joined the new opposition
> > > party ?
>
> > > Yeah...France was too short-sighted....in allowing too many
> > > foreigners to migrate into their country.
> > > France is not alone.....Singapore is laiki bodoh,
> > > Hundreds of thousands of Indians have migrated here..
> > > and worse still they bring *their relatives ILLIGALLY,
> > > (on social visit passes) to live and work here.
>
> > > Now the Indians are creating social problems...and soon
> > > they will create political problems for the PAP.
>
> > Halo Botak...yeah don't come here as often just peep in at
> > times....cos, alot of buddies also disapeared...ie. Observer or
> > Lobert...hahaha..
>
> Hi Simoni...
>
> Good to hear from you even occasionally. I thought,
> you've gone into politics like Madcow...or too busy
> enjoying marikita with China women.
>
> > Well reason for Sg to welcome foreigners probably Sg need to be
> > competitive in the world market with cheaper worker.....
>
> Somehow, the reasons for allowing too many Indian
> immigrants into Singapore ...do not sound convincing...it
> is too short sighted. ...
> It will be like...the "stop at two" policy.... The consequences
> of this flawed immigration policy will be far, far more
> damaging to Singapore...for future generations. I have seen
> it in Fiji, in Nepal, in other African states.
> I don't mind immigrants from the Philippines, Vietnam,
> Myanmar....but Indian immigrants are bad for our future.

So you discriminate against Indians from India.