Ignorant South African health minister, now thankfully dead, didn't
believe HIV led to AIDS! That eating onions and other crap could cure
it!

Ever wonder why AFRICA has so much AIDS?

Ever think that it's because most citizens, bonobo-like, view
promiscuous SEX as natural, national sports?


=====
"No, no rubber for me! Too confining."

-- Thabo Mbeki, Former S. African President
=====


Whew! Just the continent's ridiculous names expose it to
international ridicule.

=============

"Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Dead At 69"

By Celean Jacobson
Thursday, December 17, 2009; B05



Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, 69, South Africa's former health minister
who gained notoriety for her dogged promotion of lemons, garlic and
olive oil to treat AIDS, died Dec. 16 in a Johannesburg hospital of
complications related to a 2007 liver transplant.

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang's disastrous HIV policies during her nine
years in office made her the most unpopular government minister in
post-apartheid South Africa.

She was ridiculed locally and internationally and nicknamed "Dr.
Beetroot" -- for another one of her suggested AIDS remedies -- and
"Dr. Garlic." However, she was responsible for some advances. She
improved basic services in rural areas, forced down the price of
medicine, tried to stem the exodus of doctors and nurses to rich
countries, and was one of the driving forces behind a global anti-
tobacco treaty.

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang had a loyal defender in her close friend,
Thabo Mbeki, who was president for nine years, partly because of his
own doubts about the link between HIV and AIDS. She was replaced in
2008 after Mbeki was ousted by the African National Congress, the
governing party.

The AIDS policy of Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang and Mbeki contributed to
more than 300,000 deaths, according to Harvard University study.
Activists have called for them to be charged with genocide.

South Africa, a nation of about 50 million, has the world's largest
number of HIV cases, with some 5.7 million people infected with the
virus.

The country's two subsequent health ministers have won praise for
breaking with Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang's confrontational approach.

AIDS activists blamed Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang for spreading confusion
about AIDS. They won a landmark court case against the health ministry
in 2002 to force it to provide pregnant women with drugs to stop them
from infecting their unborn children. In 2003, the government was
required to give antiretroviral therapy to people in the more advanced
stages of the disease.

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang repeatedly stressed her mistrust of
antiretroviral medicine, saying too little was known about the side
effects.

"All I am bombarded about is antiretrovirals, antiretrovirals," she
said at a 2005 media conference. "There are other things we can be
assisted in doing to respond to HIV/AIDS in this country." Mrs.
Tshabalala-Msimang's recommendation was to use nutritional remedies
such as olive oil, the African potato, beetroot, garlic and lemon.

"Raw garlic and a skin of the lemon -- not only do they give you a
beautiful face and skin but they also protect you from disease," she
said.

Her views, which made her a favorite target for cartoonists, reflected
mistrust in traditional African societies of Western remedies and won
her loyal supporters.

She shrugged off constant calls for her resignation, which reached a
peak at the August 2006 international AIDS conference in Toronto,
where the South African stand featured displays of garlic and lemons.

In a devastating speech to the conference, the then-United Nations
envoy for AIDS in Africa, Stephen Lewis, slammed the government's
policies as "more worthy of a lunatic fringe than of a concerned and
compassionate state."

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang continued as a cabinet minister under the
caretaker presidency of Kgalema Motlanthe, who replaced Mbeki. She was
not given a post after President Jacob Zuma was elected this year, but
she remained on the ANC's national executive committee.

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang was born near Durban Oct. 9, 1940. She
received a bachelor's degree from Fort Hare University in 1962 -- just
after the African National Congress was banned -- and shortly after
went into exile with 27 other students who had been chosen for their
leadership potential.

When she said she was leaving for exile, her mother implored: "Please
do something for me if I should never see you again -- become a
medical doctor," according to the Department of Health.

Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang graduated from the First Leningrad Medical
Institute in the Soviet Union and then received a master's degree in
public health from the University of Antwerp in Belgium. She worked at
hospitals in Tanzania and Botswana and returned to South Africa as
apartheid was crumbling in 1990.

She was elected to parliament in the first post-apartheid democratic
elections in 1994, was named deputy justice minister in 1996 and
health minister in June 1999.

She was married to Mendi Msimang, a former ANC treasurer, and had two
daughters.

-- Associated Press

"Rachel Uchitel" <lilhornie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:96ee1a9a-b61b-403b-9781-a99df8e7d175@l2g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> Ignorant South African health minister, now thankfully dead, didn't
> believe HIV led to AIDS! That eating onions and other crap could cure
> it!
>
> Ever wonder why AFRICA has so much AIDS?
>
> Ever think that it's because most citizens, bonobo-like, view
> promiscuous SEX as natural, national sports?

Ah, yes. This was posted by Rachel Uchitel, who I assume is an American
citizen. America is the most lustful, violent nation in the history of the
universe. Many little kids have sex now in America, Rachel, and almost all
adults have engaged in premaritial and other types of immoral sex in part
because the culture is saturated with sex. Rachel, more American kids have
sex than African kids. Rachel, have you ever had immoral sex? Tell us all
how righteous you are about the sanctity of the body when you sit there and
say vicious, hateful, hypocritical, racist things about Africans, who are no
more promiscous than anyone else and who no less promiscuous than others.
Tell us, Rachel, have you ever had immoral sex? Pre-marital sex? Sex when
you were a kid or a teen? Sex with someone other than your husband or
boyfriend? Would you think it wrong to have pre-marital sex? I am not saying
you did have immoral sex. I just assume you are a slut, Rachel. Because you
are a racist fool and because you are from the United States of America,
where idiotic, racist hypocrites seem to have come unglued with lust and
filth. It takes a great American fool to accuse people of other cultures,
countries or continents of sexual promisciuity.

What a clever e-mail address, Rachel: .

Do read on for more from Lil Hornie:

> "No, no rubber for me! Too confining."
>
> -- Thabo Mbeki, Former S. African President
> =====
>
>
> Whew! Just the continent's ridiculous names expose it to
> international ridicule.

How intelligent, Miss Lil Hornie Uchi-Cuchi--Cu-tel.

What's your phone number, Rachel? Maybe we can hook up. You don't mind if I
am a black boy, do you? I have a big one, honey. You will moan and thrash
around a lot. I will take the bones out of my nose just for you. I will sing
this song for you: , Of course I
have a beautiful singing voice, dear. I am black, remember? No? How could
you forget? I just got done telling you so. You are white. You are smarter
than I am because you are white and I am black, so I cannot remember
something better than you. Right?

Rachel? How big? Big enough, toots. All my black women love it. You can't
imagine how many women I have. I am black, you know, so I must have a lot of
sexual partners, right? Right, Lil Hornie?

All sarcasm aside, Rachel, you are not very smart. Therefore you are not
white. You are a black woman. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
None of my black women is smart. They are intelligent, loving, kind, funny,
good, wonderful women. But they are not smart. You are not intelligent,
loving, kind, funny, good or wonderful. So maybe you are not black. Maybe
you are not a woman. I am getting so confused that now even I don't know
what *my* ethnic ancestry is. I am a man. A black man. That I know. But I am
confused. I must shit or get off the marijuana. There! I have made a funny!
Oh my, how we laughed.

Send me e-mail, you ho bag.

Mark


> =============
>
> "Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Dead At 69"
>
> By Celean Jacobson
> Thursday, December 17, 2009; B05
>
>
>
> Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, 69, South Africa's former health minister
> who gained notoriety for her dogged promotion of lemons, garlic and
> olive oil to treat AIDS, died Dec. 16 in a Johannesburg hospital of
> complications related to a 2007 liver transplant.
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang's disastrous HIV policies during her nine
> years in office made her the most unpopular government minister in
> post-apartheid South Africa.
>
> She was ridiculed locally and internationally and nicknamed "Dr.
> Beetroot" -- for another one of her suggested AIDS remedies -- and
> "Dr. Garlic." However, she was responsible for some advances. She
> improved basic services in rural areas, forced down the price of
> medicine, tried to stem the exodus of doctors and nurses to rich
> countries, and was one of the driving forces behind a global anti-
> tobacco treaty.
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang had a loyal defender in her close friend,
> Thabo Mbeki, who was president for nine years, partly because of his
> own doubts about the link between HIV and AIDS. She was replaced in
> 2008 after Mbeki was ousted by the African National Congress, the
> governing party.
>
> The AIDS policy of Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang and Mbeki contributed to
> more than 300,000 deaths, according to Harvard University study.
> Activists have called for them to be charged with genocide.
>
> South Africa, a nation of about 50 million, has the world's largest
> number of HIV cases, with some 5.7 million people infected with the
> virus.
>
> The country's two subsequent health ministers have won praise for
> breaking with Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang's confrontational approach.
>
> AIDS activists blamed Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang for spreading confusion
> about AIDS. They won a landmark court case against the health ministry
> in 2002 to force it to provide pregnant women with drugs to stop them
> from infecting their unborn children. In 2003, the government was
> required to give antiretroviral therapy to people in the more advanced
> stages of the disease.
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang repeatedly stressed her mistrust of
> antiretroviral medicine, saying too little was known about the side
> effects.
>
> "All I am bombarded about is antiretrovirals, antiretrovirals," she
> said at a 2005 media conference. "There are other things we can be
> assisted in doing to respond to HIV/AIDS in this country." Mrs.
> Tshabalala-Msimang's recommendation was to use nutritional remedies
> such as olive oil, the African potato, beetroot, garlic and lemon.
>
> "Raw garlic and a skin of the lemon -- not only do they give you a
> beautiful face and skin but they also protect you from disease," she
> said.
>
> Her views, which made her a favorite target for cartoonists, reflected
> mistrust in traditional African societies of Western remedies and won
> her loyal supporters.
>
> She shrugged off constant calls for her resignation, which reached a
> peak at the August 2006 international AIDS conference in Toronto,
> where the South African stand featured displays of garlic and lemons.
>
> In a devastating speech to the conference, the then-United Nations
> envoy for AIDS in Africa, Stephen Lewis, slammed the government's
> policies as "more worthy of a lunatic fringe than of a concerned and
> compassionate state."
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang continued as a cabinet minister under the
> caretaker presidency of Kgalema Motlanthe, who replaced Mbeki. She was
> not given a post after President Jacob Zuma was elected this year, but
> she remained on the ANC's national executive committee.
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang was born near Durban Oct. 9, 1940. She
> received a bachelor's degree from Fort Hare University in 1962 -- just
> after the African National Congress was banned -- and shortly after
> went into exile with 27 other students who had been chosen for their
> leadership potential.
>
> When she said she was leaving for exile, her mother implored: "Please
> do something for me if I should never see you again -- become a
> medical doctor," according to the Department of Health.
>
> Mrs. Tshabalala-Msimang graduated from the First Leningrad Medical
> Institute in the Soviet Union and then received a master's degree in
> public health from the University of Antwerp in Belgium. She worked at
> hospitals in Tanzania and Botswana and returned to South Africa as
> apartheid was crumbling in 1990.
>
> She was elected to parliament in the first post-apartheid democratic
> elections in 1994, was named deputy justice minister in 1996 and
> health minister in June 1999.
>
> She was married to Mendi Msimang, a former ANC treasurer, and had two
> daughters.
>
> -- Associated Press
>
>

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When I saw this subject line the first time I skipped it, and didn't download
the body.

When I saw it the second time, I wondered what makes people post stuff with
incomprehensible subject lines.

KENNETH MARTIN DOLAN is, of course, the past master of the incomprehensible
subject line, presumably because he's a nut case.

But what makes other people do it?


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: Blog: E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

"Mark Gerard Miller" <mgm21@bellsouth.net> wrote a whole load of crap.

Your response *might* have been considered more appropriate were it not for
all your assumptions and racist comments.

If you feel like responding to folk, at least have the courtesy of
researching your subject matter first, otherwise you just sound stupid.

In your case, that old adage is very true - rather shut up and have people
think you are a fool than open your mouth and prove them right.

In closing you, with a Canadian mail address, deride the respondent because
she is (YOU ASSume) from America and because she is (YOU ASSume yet again)
white.

What do YOU know about Africa, you plank?

Eish!!!!!

On Dec 18 2009, 1:55*am, "Mark Gerard Miller" <mg...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
> America is the most lustful, violent nation in the history of the
> universe.
>
What? America is a 'nation'?? I thought it was a continent, comprised
of North America and South America - are you suggesting that this
entirety acts as a 'nation'?