Discussed in today's (12/6) Wall Street Journal :

Regards, Rugby

Thanks for the link, Rugby.

Within the last six months I got CDs of these cello suites by Bylsma/SONY
and by Wispelwey/Channel Classics. I've only listened to them two or three
times each so far.

Can any of you compare the new DVD with these two? I see there are several
CDs of Tortelier playing these suites. Does anyone know if one of them is of
the same performance as the DVD?

Dan Amodeo

In article <t_C_k.200$ - >, Dan Amodeo says...
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>Thanks for the link, Rugby.
>
>Within the last six months I got CDs of these cello suites by Bylsma/SONY
>and by Wispelwey/Channel Classics. I've only listened to them two or three
>times each so far.
>
>Can any of you compare the new DVD with these two? I see there are several
>CDs of Tortelier playing these suites. Does anyone know if one of them is of
>the same performance as the DVD?

If they're EMI, none of them is. It would be a shame if the earlier EMI
recording is, as the author suggests, no longer in print on CD.

Simon

On Dec 6, 6:23*pm, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:

> If they're EMI, none of them is. It would be a shame if the earlier EMI
> recording is, as the author suggests, no longer in print on CD.

How does the earlier (1961) recording compare to the later (1983) one?

Bill

On Dec 6, 1:00*pm, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Discussed in today's (12/6) Wall Street Journal :
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> Regards, Rugby

Thanks for the link to the article.

<<Performances of this quality are the best response to the 2006
theory advanced by Martin Jarvis, a Welsh-born conductor currently
based in Australia, that Bach did not in fact compose the Cello
Suites. They were written instead, Mr. Jarvis claimed, by the
composer's second wife, Anna Magdalena Bach. The Suites "don't sound
musically mature," he announced on Australia's ABC radio, because
performers "have to work incredibly hard to make it [sic] sound like a
piece of music." >>

Jarvis' position must rank among the worst nonsense written about any
kind of music. Whoever he is (and I am glad I don't know the
gentleman) must be concentrating on the notes and nothing else. I
think it took Bruno Walter more than 12 years (the amount of time it
took Casals to make some sense out of Bach's suites), even with
Mahler's help, to have the courage to do justice to Mozart's G-minor
symphony. Sight-reading is not the same as making good music.

RK

On Dec 6, 4:17*pm, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 6:23*pm, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > If they're EMI, none of them is. It would be a shame if the earlier EMI
> > recording is, as the author suggests, no longer in print on CD.
>
> How does the earlier (1961) recording compare to the later (1983) one?
>
> Bill

I have never seen the earlier Tortelier recordings on CD, but that
doesn't mean they might not have been released
in Japan, Korea, etc. My recollection of the earlier set (which I
have not heard in a long time) is that it was more linear, austere and
less inspired than the remake, which I have on EMI CDs. Given that
Tortelier's is a romantic and not a HIP-inspired interpretation, I
doubt I would prefer the earlier one at this point, but the collector
in me surely wants it. I will be comparing the DVD with the EMI
remake as soon as the DVD arrives.

RK

On 6 Dec, 23:23, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <t_C_k.200$c35...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, Dan Amodeo says...
>
>
>
> >Thanks for the link, Rugby.
>
> >Within the last six months I got CDs of these cello suites by Bylsma/SONY
> >and by Wispelwey/Channel Classics. I've only listened to them two or three
> >times each so far.
>
> >Can any of you compare the new DVD with these two? I see there are several
> >CDs of Tortelier playing these suites. Does anyone know if one of them is of
> >the same performance as the DVD?
>
> If they're EMI, none of them is. It would be a shame if the earlier EMI
> recording is, as the author suggests, no longer in print on CD.
>
> Simon

Both the earlier and the later recordings are currently available on
CD - at least, they are here in the UK. See the 3rd & the 4th items on
this page:

Harry C

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:31:01 +1100, rkhalona wrote
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> On Dec 6, 1:00*pm, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Discussed in today's (12/6) Wall Street Journal :
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>> Regards, Rugby
>
> Thanks for the link to the article.
>
> <<Performances of this quality are the best response to the 2006
> theory advanced by Martin Jarvis, a Welsh-born conductor currently
> based in Australia, that Bach did not in fact compose the Cello
> Suites. They were written instead, Mr. Jarvis claimed, by the
> composer's second wife, Anna Magdalena Bach. The Suites "don't sound
> musically mature," he announced on Australia's ABC radio, because
> performers "have to work incredibly hard to make it [sic] sound like a
> piece of music." >>
>
> Jarvis' position must rank among the worst nonsense written about any
> kind of music. Whoever he is (and I am glad I don't know the
> gentleman) must be concentrating on the notes and nothing else. I
> think it took Bruno Walter more than 12 years (the amount of time it
> took Casals to make some sense out of Bach's suites), even with
> Mahler's help, to have the courage to do justice to Mozart's G-minor
> symphony. Sight-reading is not the same as making good music.
>
> RK

If Casals took 12 years to make sense of these suites, then he must have been
a very dull boy indeed! However, I could imagine someone wanting to spend
some time on them before bringing them before the public.

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Cheers!

Terry

On Dec 7, 5:28*am, Harry C <domitius.enobar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Both the earlier and the later recordings are currently available on
> CD - at least, they are here in the UK. See the 3rd & the 4th items on
> this page:
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Thanks, Harry. But I believe that the 3rd and 4th items are actually
both the later recordings; the earlier set is, I think, the last item
listed. In any event, this earlier set is also available from several
Amazon Marketplace dealers.

Bill

On Dec 7, 9:23*am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Harry. *But I believe that the 3rd and 4th items are actually
> both the later recordings; the earlier set is, I think, the last item
> listed. *

Sorry - I meant the last set of Bach Suites listed.

Bill