I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped the
Sibelius. To my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop as the stylus moves to
the center of the disc. This is not a case of a misaligned spindle, because the
music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually becomes
unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about 13
minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last two minutes.

Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? It's a shame,
because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is superb for
an early 1940s recording.

On Nov 14, 3:57�pm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped the
> Sibelius. �To my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop as the stylus moves to
> the center of the disc. �This is not a case of a misaligned spindle, because the
> music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually becomes
> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about 13
> minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last two minutes.
>
> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? �It's a shame,
> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is superb for
> an early 1940s recording.

It was included in the Masterworks Heritage Beecham set:

There have been several other CD's of it. I'm happy with this one,
and you can get it cheap.

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

In article <36df3b9f-9ec9-48c0-8fb4- - >,
Sol L. Siegel says...
>
>On Nov 14, 3:57=EF=BF=BDpm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped th=
>e
>> Sibelius. =EF=BF=BDTo my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop as the s=
>tylus moves to
>> the center of the disc. =EF=BF=BDThis is not a case of a misaligned spind=
>le, because the
>> music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually b=
>ecomes
>> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about 13
>> minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last two mi=
>nutes.
>>
>> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? =EF=BF=BDIt=
>'s a shame,
>> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is super=
>b for
>> an early 1940s recording.
>
>It was included in the Masterworks Heritage Beecham set:
>
>

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>There have been several other CD's of it. I'm happy with this one,
>and you can get it cheap.

Thanks, Sol. Does the Materworks Heritage transfer have pitch problems?

On Nov 14, 4:13�pm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <36df3b9f-9ec9-48c0-8fb4-322ee3d37...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> Sol L. Siegel says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 14, 3:57=EF=BF=BDpm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and rippedth=
> >e
> >> Sibelius. =EF=BF=BDTo my chagrin, serious pitch problems developas the s=
> >tylus moves to
> >> the center of the disc. =EF=BF=BDThis is not a case of a misaligned spind=
> >le, because the
> >> music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually b=
> >ecomes
> >> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about13
> >> minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last twomi=
> >nutes.
>
> >> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? =EF=BF=BDIt=
> >'s a shame,
> >> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is super=
> >b for
> >> an early 1940s recording.
>
> >It was included in the Masterworks Heritage Beecham set:
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> >

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> >There have been several other CD's of it. �I'm happy with this one,
> >and you can get it cheap.
>
> Thanks, Sol. �Does the Materworks Heritage transfer have pitch problems?- Hide quoted text -
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I just listened to the transfer in the Sony Masterworks Heritage
set, and although I can't guarantee about the pitch because my sense
of it isn't perfect, the Sony CD set sounds good to me. Much better
sound than ML 4086 too -- I own and know that.

Don Tait

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says...
>
>On Nov 14, 4:13=EF=BF=BDpm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> In article <36df3b9f-9ec9-48c0-8fb4-322ee3d37...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> Sol L. Siegel says...
>> >On Nov 14, 3:57=3DEF=3DBF=3DBDpm, Paul Goldstein <pgold...@newsguy.com> =
>wrote:
>> >> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped=
> th=3D
>> >e
>> >> Sibelius. =3DEF=3DBF=3DBDTo my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop=
> as the s=3D
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>> >le, because the
>> >> music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventuall=
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>> >ecomes
>> >> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about=
> 13
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>> >nutes.
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>> >> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? =3DEF=3D=
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>> >'s a shame,
>> >> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is su=
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>> >b for
>> >> an early 1940s recording.
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>> >It was included in the Masterworks Heritage Beecham set:
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>> >There have been several other CD's of it. =EF=BF=BDI'm happy with this o=
>ne,
>> >and you can get it cheap.
>>
>> Thanks, Sol. =EF=BF=BDDoes the Materworks Heritage transfer have pitch pr=
>oblems?- Hide quoted text -
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> I just listened to the transfer in the Sony Masterworks Heritage
>set, and although I can't guarantee about the pitch because my sense
>of it isn't perfect, the Sony CD set sounds good to me. Much better
>sound than ML 4086 too -- I own and know that.

Thanks, Don.

Paul Goldstein ( - ) writes:
> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped the
> Sibelius. To my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop as the stylus moves to
> the center of the disc. This is not a case of a misaligned spindle, because the
> music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually becomes
> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about 13
> minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last two minutes.
>
> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? It's a shame,
> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is superb for
> an early 1940s recording.
>


Is the record by chance warped? The stylus will bounce up and down
without losing contact with the groove and sound can be very shaky.

Brendan

In article <gflqvu$ajp$ - >, Brendan R. Wehrung says...
>
>Paul Goldstein ( - ) writes:
>> I recently found a copy of this LP in fairly good condition and ripped the
>>Sibelius. To my chagrin, serious pitch problems develop as the stylus moves to
>>the center of the disc. This is not a case of a misaligned spindle, because the
>>music begins with steady pitch and an in-tune orchestra, but eventually becomes
>> unlistenable. The orchestra sounds increasingly out of tune from about 13
>>minutes forward, and pitch becomes seriously unsteady for the last two minutes.
>>
>> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? It's a shame,
>>because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is superb for
>> an early 1940s recording.
>>
>
>
>Is the record by chance warped? The stylus will bounce up and down
>without losing contact with the groove and sound can be very shaky.

No, it's not warped. It's one of those very heavy blue-label Columbia LPs with
a tombstone jacket.

My best guess is that the last side or two of the 78s that were presumably used
to make this LP were faulty in some way.
>Brendan

> Does anyone else own this LP, and if so, is my copy atypical? It's a
> shame,
> because the interpretation is very good and the orchestral sound is superb
> for
> an early 1940s recording.

From your description, it sounds to me like the record is simply off-center.
They usually sound fine on the outside, terrible on the inside. I once had
a "discussion" (i.e., argument) in an audiophile forum about this. These
were people who claimed to hear differences between $10,000 amplifiers and
different brands of magic wire, yet they couldn't hear that a very large
percentage of LPs are audibly and often (as in your case) unlistenably
off-center.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California
33°27'59"N, 117°05'53"W