Taveras gone? Addition by subtraction.

On Feb 1, 12:52*pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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That Jockerty, what a genius. He got something for Willie T?
Brillant!

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On Feb 1, 12:52 pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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That Jockerty, what a genius. He got something for Willie T?
Brillant!

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It is stunning news --- and we're not paying the A's?

Note to self -- when dealing with Walt -- be careful.

On Feb 1, 10:09*am, "shark...@bright.net" <shark...@bright.net> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 12:52*pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> That Jockerty, what a genius. *He got something for Willie T?
> Brillant!

Its being reported on MLB also, so it looks like it did happen.

The Reds will also be receiving a PTBNL, probably low-level filler.

After the uncertainty and disappointment of the Cabrera signing (I
have yet to see confirmation, he's still listed as available on the
MLB tracker, but i'm sure its happened) this latest move by Jocketty
alleviates some of my concerns.

It also solves the 40-man roster mystery.

According to the Oakland site, Taveras has already been DFA'd by the
A's. Beanes not so stupid as to actually keep him around.

So the A's receive Rosales and budget room in exchange for Miles and
the PTBNL.

You have to assume Miles will be heading Northeast with Dusty and co.
in April, and this clears up the outfield situation a bit and may make
it a bit easier for Heisey or Frazier to claim the job this spring.


Good luck to Rosales.

On Feb 1, 2:00*pm, HTP <tmbowma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:09*am, "shark...@bright.net" <shark...@bright.net> wrote:
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> > On Feb 1, 12:52*pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Taveras gone? *Addition by subtraction.
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> > That Jockerty, what a genius. *He got something for Willie T?
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> Its being reported on MLB also, so it looks like it did happen.
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> The Reds will also be receiving a PTBNL, probably low-level filler.
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> *After the uncertainty and disappointment of the Cabrera signing (I
> have yet to see confirmation, he's still listed as available on the
> MLB tracker, but i'm sure its happened) this latest move by Jocketty
> alleviates some of my concerns.
>
> It also solves the 40-man roster mystery.
>
> According to the Oakland site, Taveras has already been DFA'd by the
> A's. Beanes not so stupid as to actually keep him around.
>
> So the A's receive Rosales and budget room in exchange for Miles and
> the PTBNL.

How do they receive budget room? They took on Taveras who was due to
be paid 4 million. Don't they still have to pay that?

Jocketty unloaded 4.6 million in Taveras and Rosales, and used it to
sign Cabrera (3 million) and Miles (1.7 million, the Cubs pay 1 of the
2.7). That's an upgrade at two spots for 100k.

On Feb 1, 4:51*pm, RJA <agentvau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:00*pm, HTP <tmbowma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 1, 10:09*am, "shark...@bright.net" <shark...@bright.net> wrote:
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> > > > Taveras gone? *Addition by subtraction.
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> > > That Jockerty, what a genius. *He got something for Willie T?
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> > Its being reported on MLB also, so it looks like it did happen.
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> > The Reds will also be receiving a PTBNL, probably low-level filler.
>
> > *After the uncertainty and disappointment of the Cabrera signing (I
> > have yet to see confirmation, he's still listed as available on the
> > MLB tracker, but i'm sure its happened) this latest move by Jocketty
> > alleviates some of my concerns.
>
> > It also solves the 40-man roster mystery.
>
> > According to the Oakland site, Taveras has already been DFA'd by the
> > A's. Beanes not so stupid as to actually keep him around.
>
> > So the A's receive Rosales and budget room in exchange for Miles and
> > the PTBNL.
>
> How do they receive budget room? *They took on Taveras who was due to
> be paid 4 million. *Don't they still have to pay that?

Assuming no cash is coming back, yes.

But he was DFA's so quickly that I think it likely they have something
worked out.

I wouldn't rule out a sale to a Japanese team for instance.

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> Jocketty unloaded 4.6 million in Taveras and Rosales, and used it to
> sign Cabrera (3 million) and Miles (1.7 million, the Cubs pay 1 of the
> 2.7). *That's an upgrade at two spots for 100k.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:51:34 -0800 (PST), RJA < - > wrote:

>Jocketty unloaded 4.6 million in Taveras and Rosales, and used it to
>sign Cabrera (3 million) and Miles (1.7 million, the Cubs pay 1 of the
>2.7). That's an upgrade at two spots for 100k.

Three spots. Aaron Miles has a career WHIP of 1.00 as a pitcher, compared to
5.50 for Janish.

JK

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:52:00 -0700, "Will Vaughan" < - > wrote:

>Taveras gone? Addition by subtraction.

What? Really? Jocketty not only manages to remove the Taveras albatross from
around the club's neck by packaging him with Rosales, who didn't exactly set the
world on fire last year, he actually gets two players in return?

Plus, by dumping the salaries of taveras and Rosales, the payroll only goes up
by a chump change amount after signing Cabrera?

Yeah. Walt Jocketty, if you ARE reading this newsgroup - you rock, dude.

Miles' 2009 season was as disappointing as Taveras' was, but a lot of that was
probably injuries - first his shoulder and then his elbow. Miles can play
several positions. He did have a few good years in St. Louis before crashing
last year with the Cubs. He's a switch-hitter whose career splits are
respectable against both lefties and righties. He has playoff experience and a
WS ring with the Cardinals in '06. He runs the bases well. He will probably be a
useful backup, which Taveras probably was not going to be.

The player to be named...well, I'll go out on a limb and predict that WJ does
better with this one than the Reds did in the Chris Denorfia deal.

Nice to have a real GM in the chair.

JK

On Feb 1, 1:09*pm, Ron Johnson <john...@ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
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> > > On Feb 1, 10:09*am, "shark...@bright.net" <shark...@bright.net> wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 1, 12:52*pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Taveras gone? *Addition by subtraction.
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> > > > That Jockerty, what a genius. *He got something for Willie T?
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> > > Its being reported on MLB also, so it looks like it did happen.
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> > > The Reds will also be receiving a PTBNL, probably low-level filler.
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> > > *After the uncertainty and disappointment of the Cabrera signing (I
> > > have yet to see confirmation, he's still listed as available on the
> > > MLB tracker, but i'm sure its happened) this latest move by Jocketty
> > > alleviates some of my concerns.
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> > > It also solves the 40-man roster mystery.
>
> > > According to the Oakland site, Taveras has already been DFA'd by the
> > > A's. Beanes not so stupid as to actually keep him around.
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> > > So the A's receive Rosales and budget room in exchange for Miles and
> > > the PTBNL.
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> > How do they receive budget room? *They took on Taveras who was due to
> > be paid 4 million. *Don't they still have to pay that?
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> Assuming no cash is coming back, yes.

The moment i hit the SEND button i had the sudden suspicion that i'd
misunderstood the math. i thought i'd seen that the Reds were sending
cash to the A's to compensate. Maybe not.

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> But he was DFA's so quickly that I think it likely they have something
> worked out.
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> I wouldn't rule out a sale to a Japanese team for instance.

If he cant make up the money, Beanes essentially paid 1.3 mil +
rosales salary + a PTBNL for a backup player unlikely to be an upgrade
over the one he gave up.

He must have something up his sleeve.

On Feb 1, 12:51*pm, RJA <agentvau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:00*pm, HTP <tmbowma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 1, 10:09*am, "shark...@bright.net" <shark...@bright.net> wrote:
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> > > On Feb 1, 12:52*pm, "Will Vaughan" <ws...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Taveras gone? *Addition by subtraction.
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> > > That Jockerty, what a genius. *He got something for Willie T?
> > > Brillant!
>
> > Its being reported on MLB also, so it looks like it did happen.
>
> > The Reds will also be receiving a PTBNL, probably low-level filler.
>
> > *After the uncertainty and disappointment of the Cabrera signing (I
> > have yet to see confirmation, he's still listed as available on the
> > MLB tracker, but i'm sure its happened) this latest move by Jocketty
> > alleviates some of my concerns.
>
> > It also solves the 40-man roster mystery.
>
> > According to the Oakland site, Taveras has already been DFA'd by the
> > A's. Beanes not so stupid as to actually keep him around.
>
> > So the A's receive Rosales and budget room in exchange for Miles and
> > the PTBNL.
>
> How do they receive budget room? *They took on Taveras who was due to
> be paid 4 million. *Don't they still have to pay that?

I believe i misread as cash changing hands to make up the difference.
My bad.

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> Jocketty unloaded 4.6 million in Taveras and Rosales, and used it to
> sign Cabrera (3 million) and Miles (1.7 million, the Cubs pay 1 of the
> 2.7). *That's an upgrade at two spots for 100k.- Hide quoted text -
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I see no upgrade at all, unless Taveras was clearly in line to start.
It does make it a bit easier for Stubbs to hold onto the starters job.
Stubbs probably has to crater in ST to lose that job anyway.

I also dont see Cabrera as a likely upgrade over Janish.

Miles replaces Rosales who wasnt likely to make the club, or
contribute much anyway if he did. My estimation was that Janish and
Sutton and Frazier were the top 3 candidates for backup infielder
spots. Frazier is non-roster which contributes to him being least
likely of the 3 to get that job. Now Miles is almost garaunteed a
spot. So Janish or Sutton gets the other spot, meaning Miles took the
job of whomever gets cut. Not really much of an upgrade there if any
at all.

Now, if Walt had made the Taveras deal without signing Cabrera to
boot, then were really talking. He saves 2.9 mil which should make it
more possible to bring back Gomes or even talk seriously to Damon.